>I like to shoot slow films early and late in the day, and DOF requirements
>even with a wide angle require being stopped down, hence speeds are
>marginal to handhold. I also find 16mm to be too wide for my vision of
>a landscape, and 20mm to be the marginal case. I generally carry a
>24mm and 35mm which is ideal for my style. shooting Ektar 25 and Velvia
>I would miss half of the shots i do without a tripod.
(jalbert@nyx.net (Joseph Albert))

Hi-- I find 1/15th pretty reliable for hand-holding a 16 or 20mm, and f5.6
sufficient with many photos for DOF with these lenses. Elite 100 or Sensia 100
solves some low-light problems. I prefer the above to the hassles of using a
tripod (and I do like both lenses for landscape), though I readily agree that
a tripod is preferable to hand-holding for maximizing image sharpness under
most circumstances. David Ruether