On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 21:44:23 -0000, "Simon Page" <x@x.com> wrote:

 

>I was going to buy a DSR-250. No questions, that was what I was heading for.

>Then I got to try out the Panasonic DVC200 and the JVC5000 and my ideas

>started to change! Now I am SO GLAD I didn't go for the Sony. Here are some

>reasons:

>

>PLUS POINTS:

>

>The DVC200 picture quality is exceptional even in low light. I would suspect

>this is due to the 1/2" CCD instead of the 1/3" CCD so you can record in dim

>light with NO GAIN. Wonderful for wedding receptions etc. I have compared

>the results with 18 hours of footage shot by a friend for a documentary on a

>PD150 (shrunken 250) and the difference is staggering.

 

I would expect differences, but not "staggering" ones

if the color bias and levels are properly set in the

PD150... The VX2000/PD150/DSR-250 will also shoot

in fairly low light levels with low gain.

 

>The DVC200 has 800 lines as oppossed to 530 for the Sony.

 

This is a misconception. They both have the same absolute

resolution limits of 720x480, which translates into about

540 TV-lines horizontal resolution, which neither can

theoretically achieve, but the better will approach more

closely (though the 530 lines of the Sony is purdy durn

close enough! ;-). The resolution cannot be significantly

higher, given the limits of the D25 format itself...

 

>DVC200 has a Fujinon Bayonet lens which is higher quality than the Sony and

>can be changed.

 

Again, if a lens is diffraction-limited by f4 (the Sony),

given the resolution-limitations of the medium, NO OTHER

LENS will render a higher-resolution final image at f4 or

smaller with the same medium (though it can at a wider

stop...).

 

>Film down to 1/2 lux with DV200 at 36DB (noisy but still usable in certain

>situations) as 2 lux with Sony

 

...where it is not very noisy, at +18db, and these numbers

indicate nearly the same sensitivity for the two cameras...

 

>DVC200 shoots with full DV meaning you can get 3 hours on a DVCAM 124 tape.

>There is no noticable visual difference between DV and DVCAM.

 

There is *no* visual difference in these formats...

 

>DVC200 comes with tripod plate. Sony does not in many cases although this

>may change from dealer to dealer.

>

>DVC200 Has positive and accurate manual focus.

>

>DVC200 Extrememly well built. "Feels" like a real camera!!

>

>

>

>MINUS POINTS:

>

>DVC is power hungry. 17w on DVC to 11w on the Sony.

 

With cheap, small, high-capacity batteries available for

the Sony VX2000/PD150 - permitting shooting all day

on one little battery...

 

>No auto-focus on DVC. This is not really a disadvantage. It was frightening

>at first but actually is very easy to get the hang of and has not caused me

>any problems at all.

 

It would drive me nuts - I shoot some fast-changing

situations that this would not work for (one never knows

who will suddenly do what at a fast-moving event or

reception...). But, then, the less-maneuverable

shoulder-mount camera style is not for me - I want to

be able to move among people and shoot close-in without

problems or intimidation, so I prefer the size/weight

of the VX2000/PD150 - and these can be placed unobtrusively

around a ceremony or other event and run unmanned...

 

>Auto white balance is superior on Sony. This was the main reason for this

>post but I've now sorted it out. Don't use auto unless running around

>between indoors and out. For that, auto is fine. For steadier shots, use

>manual white and it's great. The Sony will handle auto better though.

 

In general, these cameras are a choice between excellent

auto controls but so-so manual controls (+ stabilizer),

and excellent manual controls but so-so (or missing) auto

controls (and no stabilizer). There are good reasons for

choosing one approach over the other beyond the inherent

qualities of these specific cameras...

 

>DVC about 1.5kg heavier than Sony. But then it's built more robust.

>

>DVC has no LCD flip. Hmmm. Would have been handy for setting up white

>balance but then you can't rely on them for accurate colour reproduction any

>how. Other than that, I can't see much use for them on a shoulder camera

>anyhow. More use on the PD150!

 

Yes. Great for times when you just need to keep aiming

the camera fairly well (tripod shots of speakers, or

camera-laid-on-arm for boring long toasts...;-).

 

>I have read many reports comparing the DVC200, DSR250 and JVC5000 after I

>bought my camera (typically me!) and it seems that most people regard the

>DVC and JVC well above the Sony. Not much between the JVC and DVC other than

>the JVC takes mini-DV and has a flip screen (I don't know too much on the

>JVC but had a play with one and found it quite similar).

 

It also is excellent. I'm not fond of the DSR-250 (why

take a nifty, high-quality compact camera and make it

more awkward and expensive to use, with little gain?),

and I think people often look at results "straight

up", without looking at a comparison with cameras

optimized (where the differences may not be great, though

still likely present) - and without considering what may

be the most important differences (often handling-style

and "presence" at an event, more than significant

image or sound quality in the product...).

 

>Well, IMHO forget the DSR250 and get a DVC200 with a couple of IDX V mount

>batteries and charger which I got for less than 4800 UKP (don't know on

>dollars) or look at the JVC if you want mini DV. Use your current Sony as a

>second camera or for tricky situations.