"OldguyTeck" <ecrot@comcast.net> wrote in message news:J9F1b.78913$2x.24721@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...

> "David Ruether" <rpn1@no-junk.cornell.edu> wrote in message

> news:bi635e$d90$1@news01.cit.cornell.edu...

> > > > "Jerome Delaney" <jerry-oila@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> > > You once again are twisting the debate.

> > >

> > > We are rejecting the INSTITUTIONALIZATION of homosexual marriage, not

> > > suggesting that homosexuals not be tolerated.

> > >

> > > You perverts are free to act out your sick fantasies in private--what

> you do

> > > to each other in your homes does not concern me. When you demand that

> > > society undergo drastic and dangerous changes to accommodate you, that

> is

> > > where I draw the line.

> > Ah, so it is OK to "love the sinner, but hate the sin", huh?

> > CRAP! People are what they are. Do ask yourself if homosexual

> > people exist. If you say "no", then you should get out more, and

> > meet people who are not just "your own kind"...;-) If you say "yes",

> > how can you then justify on the basis of mere beliefs (rather than

> > with truth/facts, and not your obvious prejudices...) advocating the

> > limiting of basic human and legal rights (which you have done...) of

> > those people who are homosexual? Ah, you say homosexuality is

> > not inherent, but is just a "bad choice", and therefore to be

> > condemned (or hidden...) from the moral majority? Did you ever

> > ask yourself why anyone would choose to be homosexual, with

> > the obvious disadvantages of this choice being so evident (the

> > need to hide, the lack of legal rights associated with marriage, etc.,

> > or even the silly hoopla that might surround being honest about

> > yourself and also wishing to serve as a bishop) - and suffer the

> > abuse of such as you? And, BTW, why do you assume that

> > non-homosexual people do not engage in exactly the same sexual

> > practices that you find so abhorent - or that all homosexuals do

> > engage in those same practices? You assume FAR too much in

> > your writings, with FAR too little real knowledge displayed about

> > homosexuality. You would condemn people as a group for their

> > inherent characteristics - which is the definition of bigotry...

> Well then why are they becomming so vitrolic and massing together..

Well, gosh, it is not very hard to guess! Other groups, like Blacks,

women, underpaid-workers, etc. have done the same. How long

do you think it takes to gain basic rights that have been denied

if one just hides and remains quiet...?!

>Yet

> still putting on quite a show for us when it comes to say a public parrade,

> or they parrade down the street eg. 2 guys rubbing visibly each other

> buttocks... Ya get my drift...?

Uh, yes I do... It is OK if you are non-homosexual couples to do this,

though? ;-) Some things are/are-not normally appropriate behavior in

public for either heterosexual or homosexual people - but sometimes

a point needs to be made...

>I see it.. I don't particularly like it.. I

> mean the younger folks see it as well... Not a very nice thing to behold...

> I think it's shameless...

So is prejudice - and so is speaking/acting on it without learning

more about what you denounce...

> Again I actully cannot drive myselfe to 'dislike or hate' these people.. But

> why should I have to tolerate that type of behavior..?

Looking the other way works for me, whether those doing it

are gay or straight... ;-)

> I thank God my kiddos all turned out ok..

Thank god (who ever that is...;-) that your kids were not

homosexual - and so escaped your prejudices and the

resulting conflicts. One hopes, though, that they did not learn

your prejudices (or were bright/wise/caring enough to

take the time and effort to unlearn them...). BTW, I grew up

in a small rural northern-US town (as in "lily white"), and

fortunately realized early on that *I* had a problem with

Blacks and my prejudices about them. It took me a long

time to work through my irrational feelings (and I still suffer

bits-o'-nonsense feelings occasionally), but it was/is a

VERY necessary effort, given what I knew...

Now, image one of your kids is Black (assuming you

are not...;-). I trust he/she would receive the same treatment

and love as the others. Now, imagine one of your kids

is homosexual - and also turned out OK...

> Ed........................(Oldguyteck)

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