"Kaze" <darluzo@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> > The amount of

> > noise in the picture depends of course on the amount of gain you use.

> > If set to automatic, the amount of noise can become considerably.

> The XL1 doesn't seem to have a noise problem, at least not under 1/50

> shutter speed in which i've tried it out. (i don't even know what kind

> of gain control does the XL1 have, but i think the seller set it to a

> high level)

If it rises near the maximum, the "grain" will be considerable unless

filtered out, making resolution suffer - and lowering the shutter speed

moderately will make the "grain" smaller, but will also indroduce

other negative effects...

> If the gain on the VX2000 was set to a level in which the VX would

> "see in the dark" a bit better than the XL, would it have more noise

> than the XL?

Less - and still have decent color and resolution, too...

> (How about a comparison of the noise of VX2000 under 1/50 and 1/25

> shutter)

Halving the shutter speed will decrease the gain needed for a given

light level and picture brightness, but going below the bottom "normal"

speed will also reduce vertical resolution by 1/2 and introduce bigger

"jaggies". Setting very slow speeds will increase "grain" considerably,

and cause unpleasant picture blurring...

> I did once try out the TRV900. I think it had horrendous noise. Could

> it by any way be compared to the noise that accures on the VX2000.

The 2000 has even less noise than the very moderate level of noise of the

900, assuming 1/50-1/60th shutter speed and +18db gain. The bigger

"HAD" chips of the 2000 are more sensitive, though - but the 900 is still

a good low-light camera choice. With all of these Sony cameras, staying

3db below the maximum of +18db improves the picture noticeably...

> I'm not expecialy interested in high gain in wich noise becomes a

> problem (allthough all capabilities of the camera are usefull). Is the

> VX2000 still better than the XL1, without displaying noise, or when it

> is displaying the same amount of noise as the XL?

YES! The XL1 was a "nifty" attempt that was appealing in concept

and heavily promoted, but it is not as good as MANY other choices,

both discontinued and current...

> I unfortunatly don't have money for aditional lenses. This is allready

> a too big of a strain.

Then avoid the XL1, for most purposes - the accessories needed to

make it a good working camera (but still with picture problems)

are expensive...

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David Ruether

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http://www.David-Ruether-Photography.com