On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:43:13 -0500, xyz <xyznospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>So, the smaller 1/4.7" CCD didn't really affect low-light noise

>negatively compared to the 1/4" CCD of the TRV17 and/or TRV730 D8?

>

>I know for a fact the low-light noise (grain) was a LOT better on the

>TRv17/ TRv730 than it was on the TRv525 D8. Like day and night.

Hmmmm.... The TRV525 may be "a different animal" - I'm

more familiar with Mini-DV... The higher-pixel-count CCDs may "conk out" earlier as the light level is lowered, but

the gain-grain looks smoother. The color of the 1/4" CCD

models with lower pixel count held up better, though, to

the low-light limit, until I saw what the TRV740 (with the

megapixel 1/4.7" CCD) could do. The picture stayed clean

and smooth, with excellent color, even at +18db (lotta

picture-processing involved, I would guess...). The 730,

which I own, looks good until just short of +18db (and it

is megapixel). While the 1.5 megapixel TRV30/50 image

looks fairly smooth at +18db, I do not like the color

at high gain. Also, see for comparison (though the 1/4.7"

CCD type is missing), "low light" at: www.David-Ruether-Photography.com/camcorder--comparison.htm.

>>>On 26 Feb 2003 11:24:52 -0800, kevin@kjcrowley.com (kjc) wrote:

>>>>d_ruether@hotmail.com (Neuman - Ruether) wrote in message news:

>><3e5cc9fe.1304131@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>...

>>>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 00:36:07 -0600, "abc" <abc@abc.com>

>>>>> wrote:

>>

>>>>> >Hi.. I just couldn't decide which one to go with. Not looking into making

>>>>> >movies but taking family events (i.e. reunions, birthdays, playtime, and

>>>>> >family outing) and portable. If you've other recommendation, please do so as

>>>>> >long as it's not over $1,200.

>>>>> >

>>>>> >Options:

>>>>> >1. Sony DCR-PC101

>>>>> >2. Sony - DCR-PC120BT

>>>>> >3. CANON ELURA 40MC

>>>>> >4. CANON OPTURA 200MC

>>

>>>>> Number one, though none of these will shoot well in low

>>>>> light. BTW, I have three Sony camcorders available used,

>>>>> at: www.David-Ruether-Photography.com/fs.htm - but my first choice

>>>>> would be the PC101 for overall picture quality (though the

>>>>> TRV11 and PC9 can shoot in slightly lower light levels).

>>>>> David Ruether

>>

>>>>The DCRTRV-140 also shoots in low light (f 1/4) and it's around $400.

>>>>But it's a discontinued model. You could find them on ebay though.

>>

>>The low-end D8 models have the least-nice pictures of

>>the whole Sony DV line, though it may be good enough,

>>and the chip size indicates low-light range similar to

>>the TRV11/17/18 level of Mini-DV camera...

>>

>>On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:23:23 -0500, xyz

>><xyznospam@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Without actually buying one, I wonder how the TRV27 does in low-light?

>>>If it is as good as the old TRV17 (1/4" CCD) then I'm happy but I

>>>don't think it would be because of the smaller 1/4.7" CCD. Anyone who

>>>has used both?

>>

>>I'm assuming that the chip is the same in the TRV740 as

>>the PC101, TRV25-27-33-38-39, and if so, the image quality

>>at the low-light limit is excellent, and better than any

>>other 1-chip DV camcorder I've seen - but I have not done

>>side-by-side comparisons to see how low these will go

>>compared with others... I suspect the TRV11-17-18-etc.

>>go slightly lower, but with much more grain and much worse

>>color at their lower limit.

>>

>>David Ruether